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May 31, 2009

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Robert

thas a deep truth I sometimes forget how to express, thanx for writing!

MR

I have read your recent entry several times. I hope I am not missing anything -- and it has caused me to think.

Is not our lostness the total package of our spiritual and moral separation from God? And should we not bifurcate the two? After all, if, without salvation, we are totally separated from God, then that would include both our moral and spiritual condition. Right?

Here is something I tend to think about . . . we often see people "come to Christ" with relatively no visible change in their lives. They "put on Christ," but they don't take off the "old self." What Fundamentalist types like Charles Stanley call "carnal Christians" I would say are "carnal, but not Christian" at all.

Many times from the first touch with the gospel, the traditional baptists (little "b" to signify the greater society of baptist-type people) promote a passive faith. This make us very shy when we enter into books like James (faith without works is dead) and 1 John (those who love me will do my commandments).

The best (if I am very generous) that can be said about many types of evangelism (do you know God has a wonderful plan for your life?, etc.) is that we sign people up for a journey without the benefit of full disclosure.

When we separate the spiritual from the moral, do we not risk people misunderstanding the risks associated with salvation? In other words, people we engage in conversation need to see that they have violated God's ways (a lawbreaker), are responsible before God morally, and in need of a savior. Otherwise, I believe we run the risk of assuring people they are saved, when in fact they have not taken the first step toward repentance at all.

Let me know your thoughts. I am listening, my friend.

MR

MR

Rick,

We cross posted. I will leave my post intact, however, my objections have been answered. I understand where you were going in this post now.

MR

rick davis

MR,

I deeply love you. You are a saint to me.

ON the matter of the spiritual retreat, is there any way you could come here? I have this huge house where I live alone much of the time, as my wife finishes up her PH.D. You could save the expense of finding a place to stay and I will feed you while you are here.

Beware. I might ask you to preach to my little church while you are here.

MR

Sure. Look at your calendar, and shoot me a few dates. I will check mine as well. Sometime in August or September would work best.

MR

Bob Cheatheam

Great blog Rick. I have in the past really enjoyed your posts on evangelism. The models most churches use for evangelism today are just not working. But dang it we just gotta do it,we argue. Why, that's the way we've alway done it,and it worked then and it will work now. Never mind that it hasn't worked for several decades. Again thanks for the blog. Either we evanglize or we die.

Ken Coffee

Based on this first of the series, I can't wait to read the rest of your posts on evangelism. I find this much more stiumlating to my spirit than some of the other discussions we often see on blogs. I cannot help but believe that focusing on this the main thing will be good to us and for us.

rick davis

Well, Ken, here I am, because of you, any way, and I will finish the series and see what God can use of it.

I do hope others are rising to the occasion as well.

Mark Dunn

Your last sentence is so keen. I have seen that work out so many times.

More can be said about the nature of lostness, however: the separation from and opposition to God; why separation is preferred by the lost; and what (not Who) makes for a the break through in a lost person's life.

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