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November 30, 2009

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Jeanie

When my father was 52 and I was 14, he chose to leave a church instead of facing a staff person who was causing all kinds of problems in the church. The church went through a split -- My dad later said that he should have stood up to it, but at the time, he did what he thought was right -- and the more important thing was that he was trying to protect me. Turns out, I've spent my whole life dealing with what happened to my dad. I'm one of the lucky ones -- my parents handled the crisis well, but it was a devastating experience for our family. Somebody should do a study of what happens to the children of ministers who are the victims of church splits, denominational wars and power battles. I learned at 14 that you'd better not trifle with the things of God and that it is a terrible thing to play political games with that which is holy. You are right-on, Rick, and I thank you for your boldness, your honesty and your courage. I have spent my whole life -- almost 65 years now -- in the minister's home. It is a sacred calling to shepherd a church, and I have been honored to stand alongside my husband....but I am not blind or immune to the dangers of this life. Until there is health in the churches.....what do we have to offer the world? Until there is health in the minister's families.....well, we all know what the results are of that! Salvation is more than getting into heaven and staying out of hell; it is about how we live with each other in the meantime and in the mean times.

MR

Jeanie,

I am touched by what you just wrote. You are so right.

Michael Reynolds

David Troublefield

Anyone who has served in vocational Christian ministry for longer than 5 years and still finds himself in a difficult situation probably has himself to thank for it! Head-off all the problems possible beforehand by asking all the hard questions necessary while being interviewed prior to being hired---then give all the courageous leadership required to fix the ones they had an ethical obligation to tell you about but failed to do so. Problems existing in an organization 3 years after the leader arrives belong to that leader; before that, they belong to his predecessor---say so with conviction and the courage which should accompany that conviction, and don't take the blame which isn't yours (but eat all the crow you really deserve with a smile). Get a good personnel manual and make it apply to all paid staff members---and be abided by, by all church members.

Though I've been a senior pastor, I've served as an associate ministry staff member quite a bit longer---and what may be true about nobody looking out for senior pastors is equally or more true about associate ministers who often save their senior pastors' backsides without their knowing about it. Don't believe it?---compare salaries, and measure the disparity between what is given to the senior pastor and what is earned by the associate staff.

Senior pastors may be unhealthy, but they also seem not to know how to lead strategically or effectively---the present condition of churches in Texas today isn't the fault of any associate ministers, as their congregations don't, and won't, follow them. It's on senior pastors, along with the resulting condition of state Baptist conventions.

aintsobad


Thanks for this. You are amazing, Jeannie

rick davis

David,

I saw Jeannie's comment first. It seems you have some hurt form which to speak. If you read my post, you notice an even handedness as to senior pastors and staffers. My contention is no one is actually taking care of many of them, regardless of what spot they hold. I am asking who takes care of the minister, not the senior pastor only.

Possum

i had one denominational exec tell me that unlike the mainline churches, baptist ministers are in an entrepreneurial system: they are essentially self-employed; like a small business owner.

interesting how everything comes back to business (money).

doug

Jeanie, you have me beat on years but man have I lived through the stupid stuff that preacher's kids go through. Thanks for your strength to tell the story. Now I have been a pastor for 8.5 years and my kids are getting the opportunity to see it a bit differently. Our churches need pastors that lead them where they must go, even if that means winning folks to Christ and setting a new path.

aintsobad


We are out here on a limb. It does come back to no one helping.

David Troublefield

It's still a matter of leadership--and the statements above are fairly objective, though I've definitely seen my share of difficulties over 20+ years in ministry. Associate staff--ministry AND support--need senior pastors to lead; our kids' braces and college tuition depend on it, too.

doug

I have a freedom in the leading where folks don't want to go. I am not dependent on the churches salary to live. I can lead and whoever wants to follow can. I have the bigger challenge of not being bullheaded and to be sure I am following Christ, then and only then can I lead effectively. I have found He is never that impressed with numbers. He prefers that whole broken and contrite heart thing, then folks will follow.

I heard once and still like it - The pastors job is to feed and lead and the congregation is to follow and swallow. We have congregations starving due to gag reflex and pastors scared to feed the meals that bring life. I hope we are on the path to fix this.

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