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March 25, 2010

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Bobby T

Rick,
In resposne to your comment about your local Association -- I regret that you are not able to receive positive vibes, support, encouragement, assistance, or help (if needed) from them.

Personally, at this time I am very thankful for the DOM in the RRVBA where I serve/pastor if for no other reason than for the support he offers and the encouragement he provides. Of course, some Associations are too large for that to happen on any kind of a personal level.

I PTL for DOM Mike C and the work he does. Sure, some view the local Associations as a mere horn-blower for the State guys, but at the RRVBA it is much more than that. I would hope that all pastor could have a positive experience like I do. Hang in there Rick, and perhaps you can be and provide the positive influence some of those other pastors in your area are looking for during these challenging days.

Godspeed,
Bobby

rick davis

Bobby,

Please be assured of my love, admiration and respect for you as a person, as a pastor and as a friend. You are one of those fellows who has repeatedly been knocked down. You have always gotten up with the same plucky grin on your face. You are more than a mere survivor. You are a man of real perseverance

If I write anything in the rest of my reply that registers as cognitive dissonance with the paragraph above, please put my first paragraph in its place.

I, too, sometimes still long for the good old days. They are gone forever. Our churches do not have the money or time to pay someone to be an encouragement to us and that is simply not the place of an associational apparatus anyway.

Bobby, I am not wishing for the destruction of state conventions or associations. I am simply aware they are dying. I could spend my time wishing or hoping for some kind of resurgence but the simple fact is these are the ways we once related. Now, they are mostly passe. Some large associations function as a state convention once did but they are few and far between. Their stance toward the state conventions was often stated to me when I worked at the now defunct BGCT. It was, "A pox on both your houses."

I could spend my time looking back but that is only good for old men who cannot or will not change. It is our responsibility, instead, to look ahead. What happens when the over 65 crowd is not here to go to associational or convention meetings? Why did TBC have to appoint a committee (the baptist response to all things) to study why no one comes to their meetings now?

And before we point to the other convention as the reason, please acknowledge that adding their number to the TBC number from lst year would still not come close to the number of folks who once attended the united convention meeting. Israel and Judah parted; both are suffering.

None of this would matter if there were no need for relationships. When the old unions die, as they are doing, what will take their place? More squabbling, more scandal, more dissension? Who will join? If no one joins, what happens to the institutions and ministries that could be succored?

Bobby, you and I have lots of friends. We really do not need a professional pal. The little encouragement and support that could come for such a source indicates there is less need even than I have mentioned.

We need to look up ahead, not just behind. The old relationships are dying. The next generation will need new ones. Do we wait until after the last funeral, or do we lay some groundwork now?

Again, be assured of my personal affection and professional respect for you and your ministry. God bless you, Bobby.

Bobby T

I couldn't agree more - somethning needs to be done to lay ground work NOW fo the future generations of Texas Baptist work. If attendance at certain events and interest in convention work continues to spiral in the wrong direction, where will we be in the future?

This one thing is for sure: It has become increasingly obvious that the attendance at the Annual Meetings is only going down and not up. As a member of the BGCT, I am concerned as I look ahead to McAllen and the attendance number I expect to be there at the next BGCT Annual Meeting. Unless there is a controversial topic come up (and I do not hope for that) the number of people who can afford to or are willing to travel to McAllen are going to be LOW. Let's face it, if people were not willing to drive to the DFW or Houston areas the past two years, WHO will go to the edge of the world in McAllen? It's a great city, but a long ways from other Texas population areas. We'll see come November.

So, we'll keep praying for GOD to give us the methods to reach our lost State for Christ. It does appear that the way we used to do it is not going to work in the future. But, isn't that the way with every generation? Yes. We have to change the methods while keeping the message the same.

Godspeed

aintsobad

Bobby,


If one factors out the people paid to go to TBC meetings, or representing TBC groups at TBC meetings, the number would be much lower. If one discerns the number of churches represented, I think we would all be embarrassed. Blogs are not causing this. We are just watching it happen.

Godspeed you in your work.

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