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I sadly agree. While Baptists in Texas were busily trying to build (or rebuild) conventions in their own images, the state's population grew increasingly large without Christ. The "buckle of the Bible belt" is more unchurched now because Baptists of all stripes dropped the ball...

rick davis

We have not so much lost people as pushed them away. It is a sad day.

Tim Dahl

Not all of the pastors are 50+ years of age. Just a whole lot of them. ;)

Tim

T.J.

For young pastors inerrancy simply means the Bible has no mistakes. This is what we have been taught in Sunday School since age 2. If the BGCT could simply learn to swallow the term "inerrancy" the slow bleeding to the SBTC would stop. Southwestern is a large seminary that is more than able to fill empty pastor positions. In fact, many students there dream of pastoring in a church like yours. In short, it aint so bad Aintsobad. . .

rick davis

TJ,

I am not sure what inerrancy means for young pastors. I doubt that you know. Life is usually a bit more nuanced than you seem to understand.

"Affirming inerrancy" will not mitigate the circumstances between BGCT and SBTC. There are power issues and trust issues between the churches and the conventions (both of them). Inerrancy is a word more freighted than you realize, or at least, more than you testify.

Still, it is good to hear a theory that ends with "would like to pastor a church like yours."

RobeFRe

I have seen a thought that seems to indicate the Bible is True but archaic...

doug

WOW!!! I have followed this mess for a decade... and still when I check back in on it after a year's absence... it sounds the same. I vote to let it go and move on. Oh, that is what I did... good luck. I will check back in another year or so. Life outside the bickering is great. The air is pure and God is at work ... of course we dropped the Baptist moniker and went back to work.

aintsobad

Wow. Sounds like you all made some meaningful decisions. How did you come to this? What were the steps?

Lee

aYou've hit the nail on the head pretty well here. There are a lot of factors involved in all of these issues. On one side, megachurches and their pastors dominate the proceedings, using their fame, influence and numbers to impress convention messengers into handing leadership over to them though most of them don't even give what would be considered a decent tip to the convention's ministries. On the other side, a good-ole-boy system where big salary convention jobs go to people who have connections and influence, rather than to those who actually have the intelligence and ability to do the job.

The next executive director of the BGCT will actually have to work at the job in order to be successful. A string of preaching dates in the more prominent pulpits (with accompanying appropriate honorariums) will no longer suffice as a platform from which to convince people that you are "doing something." The BGCT will have to be restructured, downsized and made more efficient. I think the following will be necessary for a new executive director to do the kind of work, and advocate for the kind of change that is necessary for the BGCT to stabilize and stop bleeding churches and CP money:
1. Someone from a state convention in a part of the country where austerity, efficiency, and a modest salary have been dictated by circumstances, and where the executive director has had plenty of "other duties as assigned" because the convention can't afford more salaries to do that work (like, say, Minnesota-Wisconsin, Penn-South Jersey, Michigan, Indiana or some such place).
2. The entire current executive board needs to step down and get out of the way. Let the convention name a new board with new faces, and not the same people who have been occupying seats on committees and boards for so long, the seats are contoured to the shape of their rear end. That will give the new executive director the chance to work without having to address old preferences, agendas and the structure of prominence and prestige of the BGCT royalty. He won't owe anyone anything.
3. The new executive director needs to be an active member of a Southern Baptist church which is among the leading supporters in its area of the Cooperative Program. He should have no ties to the BWA, Texas Baptists Committed, any Baptists committed group, CBF, or any other denominational politically motivated and created organization. Period.

aintsobad

Here is what I think would be better:


A leader of one of the larger associations in Texas; knows the state, has great administrative experience, has had to find his way through the wars in order to hold his association together, people skills, etc. It is a thought I put forward before and the convention took a guy from Virginia, closely linked to CBF, not  a real known commodity in Texas, etc., and it dissolved into what you describe; a show. Dont want that again.

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